Nasri in, Hleb out – Is it good or bad?

May 24, 2008

“I can officially confirm that a short time ago Alexander decided that he will leave Arsenal and join another club. Of course Arsenal and Arsene wanted him to stay but they have accepted the player’s choice.”

“That is his choice. He has understood that the right time has come for him to make a change.
“Alex has spent three good seasons at Arsenal and he wasn’t sure he could maintain the same level that he has been showing if he stayed.

“It’s also true that he felt uncomfortable off the field. Alexander wants a change of scene. That’s had a large part to play in his decision. Alex informed the club of his desire to move to another club.”

“We are not using article 17 of the FIFA rule,” he said. “I can’t tell you anything about where he will be playing yet. Talks are underway, and I don’t have the right to make them public. I think that the issue of his new club will be clarified in the next few days.”

Niki Spilevski, Alexander Hleb’s agent.

So it seems that Hleb has decided to jump ship as expected, while reports suggest Nasri should be an Arsenal player by Monday. But what does this mean for Arsenal? Is it a step forward or a step back for next season?

First of all, it seems to me that out of three seasons with Arsenal, only this latest one did he really show what he can do, and only then for the first half of the season. But his agility on the ball and superb poise and passing ability has made the football we play sparkle at times solely down to the Belorussian and his loss has to be a big blow for the club surely?

Creativity is often something we seem to have too much of, while the individual brilliance that Pires, Bergkamp, Henry, Ljungberg and co. offered us is something we no longer have. I would say that only Cesc and van Persie offer this sheer brilliance to win games with any sort of regularity, and so will Hleb’s potential replacement offer us this brilliance that we may need at times, a bit of match winning quality?

Samir Nasri is an amazing talent, and I believe with absolute certainty that he can offer the brilliance that we need to unlock those tight defences, by making more direct running and shooting, instead of playing keep-ball at 0-0 and passing the opposition into surrender, something we have had to employ too many time this season already. But he is only 20 years old, and the loss of Hleb I think requires another wide player as well as Nasri, given Eboue’s inability to score or play as a true winger would, and also Rosicky’s unfortunate injury record.

To show the current problems on the wing, I shall show the goals and assists we have got from wide areas, and then compare it with the (and I hate to say it…) very best – Manchester United.

Arsenal (EPL and CL):

  • Hleb: G: 4 – A: 11
  • Eboue: G 0 – A: 2
  • Walcott: G 6 – A: 3
  • Rosicky: G 7 – A: 2
  • Diaby: G 3 – A: 1

Total: Goals: 20 - Assists: 19

Man Utd (EPL and CL):

  • Ronaldo: G: 39 A: 8
  • Park: G: 1 – A: 1
  • Giggs: G: 3 – A: 7
  • Nani: G: 3 – A: 9

Total: Goals: 46 - Assists: 25

Looking at these statistics, Hleb is easily our best “assister”, and so someone we can not afford to get rid of, while his goals tally, while being poor, if we had other good wingers as well we would get far more goals from the wing. Therefore, to lose Hleb based on those statistics would be a crushing blow even for our creative side, with only Fabregas creating more goals for the team this year.

When comparing us to United, it is clear that despite our problems, we are only one quality winger away from competing with them on the wide areas, where they seem to be clearly better than us, but when you consider that with their formation the wide players generally get more chances due to the game being based around them moving around freely, and that Cristiano Ronaldo has had an incredible goalscoring season, were we to have another winger who could score 10+ goals a season, Walcott will get more goals again next season as well, and Nasri has improved year on year and will be surrounded by better players (should he come to us) I believe that we won’t be far off.

But with only Nasri coming in to replace Hleb, and no other wide player following him to the Emirates, we will see the same problems next year.

Article By M+D

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151 Responses to “Nasri in, Hleb out – Is it good or bad?”

  1. Polski14 Says:

    good

  2. Phil Says:

    Vela can play on the wing.

  3. looneygooner Says:

    Sorry disagree, Hleb keeps the ball too long giving defences the chance to block any attack, he isn’t direct in the way Bobby and Freddy were, If Rosicky’s operation has been a success, then he along with Cesc will dominate the free flowing football we are use to.

    They will open the avenues allowing Walcott, RvP and Adebayor to score a bucket load of goals, we have some great talent coming through and Clichy and Sagna will dominate the defence, we have more experience and the pain of losing out last season after coming so close.

    Flamoney and Hleb haven’t the stomach for a PL fight so good riddance to the pair, we will come good and I for one am excited at the prospect of the new season.

    Wenger will surprise us and to say we have no wide players is foolhardy as Walcott will occupy one side with maybe Tarore the other side, we still have good options with some of the younger players making debuts in the CC and league.

    I am patience as I believe Wenger’s style of football will prevail

  4. se7en Says:

    I hope Wenger gets Ben Arfa as well as Nasri, Ben Arfa would offer us something different, we need players who will not only improve our first XI but improve the entire squad, Ben Arfa can go past defenders with pace and add more goals & assists.

  5. Akbar Says:

    Vela CAN play at the wing but like Wenger said he is not a winger and will be used more upfront. Technically, if Hleb goes and Nasri comes in.. we have basically got a replacement for Hleb not a “new signing” which wenger said would be two or three. So we need two or three after that and that is going to be a signing. This is just replacement. Wenger get Villa, Ben Arfa and a Towering Defender and that is. A bonus would be a keeper.

  6. Abnet arsenal Says:

    if any player didnt want to play for my beloved culb I will tell him to go and fuck himself and bring worst player that have the love to play the team

  7. Austingunner Says:

    Good riddance….he did nothing but masturbate with the ball anyway.

  8. DavC Says:

    With Walcott stepping up over the last few months and hopefuly finally (even Wenger must finally agree) replacing Eboue as the starting right midfielder we should pose much more threat from the Right Flank.

    Add in Nasri to go with Ro-sicky, with Vela, Diaby and Traore as back up and the wings already look much stronger, not forgetting Van Persie can play on the wing as he has done for the Dutch as well as Merida, Gibbs and possibly Jay Simpson and I don’t reckon any more wingers are needed.

    Now if we can somehow ensure Eboue never starts another match on the right of Arsenals midfield I reckon we’re sorted!

  9. Adam Says:

    A blessing. One decent season, two below average seasons. Responsible for CL exit against PSG with a stupid foul in the corner against a player going nowhere. Eye-catching but ultimately ineffective. How I wish we could p/ex him against Robinho.

  10. Gooner Chris Says:

    Good riddance….he did nothing but masturbate with the ball anyway.

    hahahahaha. I definitely agree with you mate.

  11. Phil Says:

    Looks like things are shaping up as follows:

    Almunia/Fabianski/Mannone ?

    Hoyte/Sagna Traore/Clichy

    Song/Toure/Djourou Gallas/Senderos/?

    Fabregas/Denilson Gilberto/Diaby/?

    Eboue/Walcott Nasri/Rosicky/?

    Adebayor/Bendtner Eduardo/RVP/?

    Up and coming players:

    Nordtveit
    Barazite
    Merida
    Lansbury
    Randall
    Gibbs
    Wilshire

  12. Sue Says:

    Well said Looney Gooner I agree with every word you said

  13. Phil Says:

    Sorry – better displayed as:

    GK Almunia/Fabianski/Mannone
    LB Hoyte/Sagna
    RB Traore/Clichy
    CB Song/Toure/Djourou/Gallas/Senderos
    CM Fabregas/Denilson/Gilberto/Diaby/?
    RM Eboue/Walcott
    LM Nasri/Rosicky/?
    CF Adebayor/Bendtner/Eduardo/RVP/?

    Up and coming players:

    Nordtveit
    Barazite
    Merida
    Lansbury
    Randall
    Gibbs
    Wilshire

  14. Gooner Chris Says:

    Goalkeepers: Almunia / Fabianski / Mannone

    Right Backs: Sagna / Hoyte

    Centre Backs:
    Song / Toure / Djourou / Gallas / Senderos / *Nordtveit

    Left Backs: Clichy / Traore / *Pedro

    Central & Defensive Midfielders: Fabregas / Denilson / Gilberto / Diaby / *Randall

    Wing & Versatile Midfielders:
    Eboue / Walcott / Nasri / Rosicky / *Gibbs / *Wilshere

    Strikers:
    Adebayor / Bendtner / Eduardo / RVP / Vela / *Barazite

    *Players In Italics Likely To Go On Loan Or Be Used As Reserves

  15. Abnet arsenal Says:

    here is how i see it for the next season 1st eleven

    Sagna toure Zapata Clichy

    walcott Fab4 (c) one new guy that only AW kows rosicky/RVP

    Nasri/Rosicky

    Ade

  16. cj Says:

    Anyone else thinks its a bit odd that the same week Hleb gets linked to Real, Robinho’s agent is trying to peddle him to “clubs in london”. Anyone see a swap deal on the cards?

  17. q8 arsenal Says:

    We have to keep Helb,

    We want to add 2 players to our wide areas Not replace a player
    and waitting another year until they adapt to our way of play..

    Finally, look at Nani , Malouda and Babel no one give immediate
    impact from the first season .

  18. Gooner Chris Says:

    Robinho is very similar to Reyes, and I don’t particularly rate him, he’ll probably complain about the weather if he came.

    Maybe a swap deal with one of Madrid’s players, I’d love to see Guti come…

  19. Seb Says:

    Im convinced the squad isnt far off. barazite looks an exciting player and so does Randell. I dont think Gibbs has what it takes to cut it in the Premier League as he didnt really cut it in the Championship with Norwich. He did look good in the pre season friendlies and at the Emirates Cup against Inter but Im not sure he is going to stay with Arsenal. I certainly think Merida can do a job on the wing and Id like to see more of Denilson this campaign. I personally think we dont need much in the way of attacking players – a right winger maybe??? I would like to see what defenders/defensive midfielder(s) we are going to bring in esp if we get some more money from the sale of Hleb. I’d like to see Veloso or Makoun and an experienced defender who has a little more stregnth to handle the bigger opposing centre forwards.

  20. cj Says:

    Guti is to old (31) and lacks the pace for the prem I’d have Bertie in the team before him

  21. Gooner Chris Says:

    He doesn’t have the pace, but he has the class, creativity and skill needed to cut it in the Premier League.

  22. cj Says:

    Also what really concerning me is there seems to be very little talk of any defenders being linked with us. If Hleb follows Flamoney out the door, it will mirror when we let Petit & Overmars leave. The team will recover.

  23. Gooner Chris Says:

    Sneijder, Diarra, Sergio Ramos and maybe even Higuain would be pretty good in a swap deal. :D

  24. Seb Says:

    Joaquin anyone…?

  25. Adam Says:

    When hleb played well the team played well, he will be a big loss although he was also bloody annoying for all the reasons mentioned. If we get a pires like replacement, good riddance. And without ronaldo, man united would be shit. Hope he gets injured next season, bout time he got chopped. Also, how many of those goals were pens and free kicks? those are not wing play related.(unless he wins all of them)

  26. cj Says:

    maybe guti could have come 5 years ago but at 31 in a new league i wouldn’t fancy him at all.

  27. kevlinefm Says:

    Good article, M+D.

    I’ve the same concerns as you do as well. A winger away from solving part of our problem, if not all. You’ve somehow failed to acknowledge that the summer transfer window is longer and might be sufficient for us to find that “winger” you’ve mentioned in your article.

    Yes, statisticics-wise you got it spot-on about Hleb. But I would have to agree more with what looneygooner has pointed out, which is that Hleb often slows down our attack and he lacks “directness” compared to Pires or even Rosicky. When Rosicky’s around, the team is galvanised and the team plays with more rhythm, but sad to say, he often gets injured and Hleb of course had more opportunity to do what he can, but of course his lack of “directness” is actually his downfall.

    Arsenal have been blessed with goalscoring midfielders for quite sometime up until season 2006/07 when Pires has left and Ljungberg’s form has declined tremendously. Hleb, before he officially joined Arsenal, has already proven to be a player without any goalscoring record. This has been highlighted before he even joined us but I guess no one gives a damn about it until we realised that he couldn’t offer us goals. Yes, he’s uniquely good technically, pleasing on the eye while holding the ball and fending off defenders, but football cannot be judged solely on that. It is a team game and relies on goals. Rosicky though is a very clever scorer if given the chances to. Just browse some of his Arsenal goals and you’ll see why.

    Nasri’s arrival will replace more than just Hleb, but also will offer a different kind of dimension, which is the “directness”. He’s more determined to run at defenders and can hold the ball well too, if not better than Hleb. What we’ve lacked all season is the “directness”. Notice that the word “directness” is repeated time and time again in my comments. Walcott offered us that and we are like a team galvanised by a brand new idea. See how Nasri would bring to the team if he joins then only you can really see why Hleb might be better off leaving Arsenal.

    Statistics is always about figures but sometimes, figures can be very misleading. Football is NOT entirely about figures, as I’ve mentioned earlier that football is also NOT entirely about unique technical ability (i.e. what Hleb possesses), but also a combination of other aspects. Figures can be proof, but not the best proof. That’s why managers still send scouts to watch players, besides from looking at stats and figures.

    Sorry if I’ve mentioned too much here. I’ve nothing against M+D but I guess Hleb is leaving us very soon and we should give our new signings chances to prove himself. A lot of players are well forgotten since we’ve moved on but I admit we do want their abilities back.

  28. cj Says:

    I’d love to see Sergio Ramos come in. He would give us so much. Just like when Sol came in.

  29. Seb Says:

    sergio ramos would be brilliant but can never see it happening

  30. Gooner Chris Says:

    Joaquin? £11 million rated winger? He’s nothing special. Everton are reportedly interested in him though.

  31. cj Says:

    I’ve got a question for everyone about Nasri? “How do you seem so certain he will be more direct, score more goals, give us more options?” From youtube? or have you been watching him all season in France?? All we know about him is that Wenger seems to think he’s worth 11m that proves nothing. He thought the same about Reyes, Wiltord and Jeffers

  32. cj Says:

    Agreed Seb don’t think Real will let Ramos go. But I’d rather we spent our budget on one top drawer centre half than on 2-3 young french wingers.

  33. Seb Says:

    reyes and wiltord were good players – i still remember the goal wiltord scored at old trafford…. memories… I like Joaquins pace and his eye for goal and he is a typical winger – although he has had a poor time in Spain of late I still think he has potential – speaking about everton – what about Arteta or Lescott??

  34. GoonerMaz Says:

    We should get Nasri in !
    Arshavin as well as Lyon are difficult to deal with !
    Try to do a deal with Madrid for Hleb asking for Robinho in exchange plus cash !
    Do a deal for David Villa by offering cash and Gilberto
    Sell Senderos to Juve as they clearly want him 5m
    Sell Hoyte to Aston VIlla 4m
    Get Zapata in from Udinese and Thuram as player coach

    I realise it sounds and looks like a game of champ man but we could be very happy with these moves

  35. Seb Says:

    Most def CJ – a strong experienced defender is something we are in need of. We have a team who dont seem to communicate as much – we need someone to take charge. Kolo, Bill and Manuel are all good players but pretty quiet during the games.

  36. cj Says:

    Wiltord, 4 seasons 49 goals, £13 million. Reyes couldn’t hack the Premiership and hasn’t scored since he joined Athletico Madrid. I love Arteta but not the right player for us now. Flamini’s replacement has to be the priority and a centre half. Hleb boots will be filled by Rosicky & RVP if they can stay fit

  37. Gooner Chris Says:

    David Villa + Cash + Gilberto? Do you really think Valencia want Gilberto? Maybe if we offered them Bendtner.. :D

  38. cj Says:

    Seb have you seen much of Kompany do you rate him?

  39. Gooner Chris Says:

    It’s sad to see Reyes doing so badly, but the facts tell the truth.. he has been utter shit for Athletico.. its that ex-Arsenal player curse. :)

  40. kevlinefm Says:

    I’ve got a question for everyone about Nasri? “How do you seem so certain he will be more direct, score more goals, give us more options?” From youtube? or have you been watching him all season in France?? All we know about him is that Wenger seems to think he’s worth 11m that proves nothing. He thought the same about Reyes, Wiltord and Jeffers

    Good question, cj.

    Just youtube his name and you’ll find clips about him giving us directness. Yes, youtube can be misleading as well BUT at least it gives you an idea of what the player could do. Besides, the hype around this fella is not fake. He’s a very good player who could go on to achieve great things. If you aren’t convinced of what you’ve seen on youtube, maybe you can wait and see what he can do in Euros 2008 (if he ever gets into the team).

    As for the “directness” and “goals” part, do you think he can make it in the french league if he doesn’t have these things? Again, watch clips of him performing his stuff in the league on youtube. He’s a developing super talent and the chances he’s had featuring for Marseille, he has taken them well. Note that he is very determined to go past defenders. He always tries to hold the ball and lead his team mates into good attacking and goalscoring positions. He also scores using his weaker left foot. In several ocassions also I might have to add. The last part is really amazing, which Hleb doesn’t even do that often.

  41. Gooner Chris Says:

    Click Here For Our Kompany Article

  42. Gunner4life&beyond Says:

    Like your articles, but those statistics miss one thing, Hleb played the most out of any of those guys, Rosicky and Walcott would have easily surpassed his tally, had they played as many games/minutes.

    Diaby is completely unsuited to the wing and Eboue should be used at right back and right back alone (now as second/third choice).

    I didn’t read the whole article so if you said something to this effect, then basically I agree with you, as does my gooner dad.

  43. GoonerMaz Says:

    i know what you mean chris but they are short of cash and baraja and albelda are not in contention – they value edu highly there and he may have told them about bert – who i love because of what he offered to us but at 31 wont be offered another deal even pires was offered 1 more year

  44. Gooner Chris Says:

    I expect Gilberto to continue playing for us until the end of next season, then there’s a possiblity he might move back to Brazil or take up a coaching role at Arsenal.

  45. cj Says:

    Problem is with youtube kevlinefm put in any player in europe and they look like world beaters. Nasri was young player of the year last year in france. Ben Afra won it this season but wasn’t a regular starter… You tube him and he looks amazing, it wasn’t that long ago we we’re all youtubing Caen. Its impossible to tell til a player has played in the top leagues. PL Seria A or La Liga.

  46. brdgunner Says:

    I believe in Arsene and his football, i also believe in Arsenal football club. I like Hleb and Flamini, its a shame. I think will be fine without them, i would much rather they have stayed.
    However its a long year and we should get six points from Hull.

  47. cj Says:

    Agreed Gooner Chris Bertie won’t be leaving. I think Bertie and Diaby may split Flamini’s role next year.

  48. Seb Says:

    kompany would be a great player if he can stay fit – im quite hopeful about him as well as it sounded like he was moving on from his current club

  49. kevlinefm Says:

    Problem is with youtube kevlinefm put in any player in europe and they look like world beaters. Nasri was young player of the year last year in france. Ben Afra won it this season but wasn’t a regular starter… You tube him and he looks amazing, it wasn’t that long ago we we’re all youtubing Caen. Its impossible to tell til a player has played in the top leagues. PL Seria A or La Liga.

    Ya way. I’ve to agree with you on that, cj. But, what do you expect more from internet? We’re now talking about Nasri therefore we all can already be considered to be lucky to have youtube offering us clips of Nasri. We are not even football scouts so we don’t have the chance to go and scout players by watching them in stadiums and so forth. It depends on your opinion on youtube clips. Of course players have weaknesses but Wenger might improve on what Nasri lacks and also what he is good at as well.

    And also, it’s pointless for people to post clips emphasizing on what Nasri lacks, right? So, just make do with the clips unless you have the chance to watch Nasri from time to time. Wenger has the experience when it comes to buying good young talents and he rarely fails. Trust him, cj.

  50. Seb Says:

    on the topic of bertie – he was back to his best in the last few games of the season and when hes playing at his best he’s hard to replace – he was the fans player of the year in the season before last.

  51. JamJam Says:

    we need to replace Hleb with someone who is as good as him, make assists but score more goal and no younger than 25 because we need some experience or we will fail again next year.
    Man U proved a mix of youth and experience wins you the champions league and premier league and those are the 2 trophies that all us gooners want next year!

  52. GoonerMaz Says:

    this is what I would want:

    Almunia, Fabianski, Mannone and Akinfeev

    Sagna, Eboue
    Clichy,Traore
    Toure, Gallas
    Djourou, Zapata – Thuram as Player/Coach as he is a Wenger Pupil

    Fabregas, Diaby, Denilson, Rosicky, Walcott, Merida, Nasri, Gibbs, Arshavin, Barazite, Randall, Robinho

    Van Persie, Adebayor, Bendtner, Eduardo, Vela, Simpson, Villa

    Out:
    Money from Diarra sale 4m
    Hoyte 4m
    Gilberto p/ex
    Hleb p/ex
    Senderos 5m

    In:
    Akinfeev 2m
    Thuram (Free)
    Zapata 6m
    Arshavin 8m
    Villa 15m plus
    Robinho 15m plus
    Nasri 10m

  53. Seb Says:

    btw we’re playing hull next season – how strange is that!

  54. Gooner Chris Says:

    Man U proved a mix of youth and experience wins you the champions league and premier league and those are the 2 trophies that all us gooners want next year!

    It must be so unsettling for the Arsenal squad though, for players like Fabregas his best friends in Flamini & Hleb leaving. That’s the difference between us and Man United – they can hold onto their players.

  55. Gooner Chris Says:

    btw we’re playing hull next season – how strange is that!

    Better than Derby!!! :D

  56. Seb Says:

    i know what you mean about cesc and thats why i dont want big phil senderos going as well – plus i still think he can be a good cb. we need to offer fabregas the kind of wages that henry was on though – he is a world class player now and deserves to be paid like one.

  57. GoonerMaz Says:

    please dont get me wrong guys i love the squad and think it will improve what ever happens – i left song out of the squad as i think he will go to west brom on loan

  58. Stuart Says:

    I think that you are being little too negative. If Hleb wants to go let him as long as we get a decent fee. Fans seem to forget that Vela is coming in, Rosicky will, fingers crossed, be fit next season as will RvP. Theo should be even better next season and with Nasri coming in [and one or two more - AW has his sights set on a few I bet] we should be OK.

    Diaby, Denilson and Song will be the better for another season and Traore might will turn out to be our best left sided midfielder yet. Gibbs, Lansbury Simpson may also surprise us.

    Looks good to me

  59. Seb Says:

    im surprised wenger didnt put simpson in the squad for the last game of the season – he played more than randell and gibbs when he was on loan and was the PFA player of the year

  60. cj Says:

    I’ve gotta say about United they do hold on to there players but they got the budgets to keep uping the wages… that where AW earns his money. His teams have always paid for themselves and they have to. The truth is the big four are becoming a big two so to compete we are going to have to buy and sell and be more understanding to the fact that rebuilding teams takes longer for us than United…

  61. GoonerMaz Says:

    stuart, regarding simpson it seems that the gaffer never mentions him when talking about our players on loan which is a shame as it looks like he has had a good season at milwall

  62. Gooner Chris Says:

    Simpson was brilliant, but he wasn’t in the most of competitive of leagues unlike Gibbs & Randall.

  63. Seb Says:

    4pts off with dodgy decisions at boro and birmingham – we werent far off at all, we’re still very much in the big 3/4.

  64. Seb Says:

    simpson still stood miles off where gibbs and randell were hardly used – dont see the point in sending them on loan if they arent going to use them!

  65. JamJam Says:

    Flamini and Hleb are pathetic they’re just quitters. At least be men and hold their hands up and say they contributed to fuking up Arsenal’s season and now they’re running away. well good luck to them I hope they both rot on the bench for AC Milan and what ever Hleb’s new club is
    WANKERS!!!!!

  66. cj Says:

    Seb what I’m saying is we’re not able to compete in the transfer market when it comes to buying established talent. On the pitch is a very different thing. We’re nearly there but its taken 4 seasons. Its taken Utd two.

  67. Matt Says:

    If we look at your comparison between us and united all of their goals have come from Ronaldo, 39 of them, and 3 3 1 for the rest. When we have players on 6, 7 goals, and Ronaldo hasnt been playing as a winger, he been playing as a second striker. While I agree with your point that we need more goals from our wingers, i dont agree with your point that united are that much better than us. If Ronaldo left united, they would be absouloutly fucked!

    If we had Nasri, Hleb, Rosciky and Walcott all in the squad at the same time.. The two wide men would probly be Nasri and Rosicky. We are forgetting about Rosicky cause hes been injured but he just as skilful, creative and has a good on-field relationship with Cesc who makes us tick.

    Nasri would be a good signing, he is one of the top young players in the world and he would certainly offer us alot in an attacking sense. Like me and you said, we need goals from mid-field, Nasri can give us that, yes he doesnt have the best goal scoring record but he isnt afraid to shoot like Hleb, atleast he tries!

    Yes, Hleb would be a big loss but he is replaceable and I feel Nasri is an ideal replacement for him. We also have the likes of Rosciky, Walcott, Vela and youngsters like Wilshere, Merida, Lansbury comming through so I feel Hleb’s position is well taken care of. I aslo dont want a player who doesnt want to play for us in the squad.

  68. cj Says:

    Nice one for the insightful, well thought out post Jamjam. Flamini and Hleb are just like 90% of all players money and success hungry, if they weren’t they wouldn’t have made it.

  69. Seb Says:

    true and we’re never going to buy players 20mill+ like utd and chelsea but even buying established players doesnt mean its going to work… like a certain ukraine forward …naming no names

  70. ogareps Says:

    guys Nasri+Hatem Ben Arfa-Hleb isnt a bad idea what do you think?

  71. GoonerMaz Says:

    hopefuly then the players like simpson, gibbs randall will go to west brom on loan – learning the game from a keen follower of wenger and our club tony mowbray – he plays the game the right way and its all good for these players education

  72. cj Says:

    Agreed seb. I hate the idea of spending simply on a name. Does it concern anyone that we may lack a bit of grizzle next year?

  73. JamJam Says:

    Yo Gooner Chris do you know when the squad numbers for 08/09 come out?

  74. cj Says:

    Also something that a lot of us have seem to forgotten about Flamini is he was really vocal and organised and motivated us across the middle.

  75. Seb Says:

    im going to give eboue another chance as well – he was awful – but it was his 1st season in that position

  76. cj Says:

    Seb, spot on mate. I see eboue asked to play on the right and asked to tuck in and help out with the defensive work even more.

  77. Seb Says:

    still think he should have dropped back into right back when sagna got injured – esp with walcotts form improving

  78. Seb Says:

    he does stretch the play well though – just wish he had the final ball – he was def improving though and although he is infuriating he does try hard

  79. Seb Says:

    we do need more goals from midfield – lets hope cesc sees his goalscoring form return for next season!

  80. cj Says:

    What I’m wondering is how, Flamini (though he denies it) knew he was going at the end of the season, and Hleb engineering a move for himself, affected the team moral when we needed them to be together.

  81. GoonerMaz Says:

    we do not need big names because we make big names but we need an injection from a big signing and all that entails it – remember in 1995 when we spent 7.5m on a then internationally renouned forward player called dennis bergkamp – the impact that the signing had was felt across the football world

    even sol signing for free was a huge signing as nobody expected it

    thats what i have been trying to get at

    IMPACT

  82. gooner147 Says:

    Jay Simpson surely has a job to do next season LEAGUE ONE PLAYER OF THE YEAR

  83. Seb Says:

    I cant imagine that they wouldnt give there all until the title was out of reach. Cesc kept saying that he was trying to convince Flamini to stay. I personally think we should have signed him on a longer contract but I dont think Wenger thought that highly of him to keep him and thats why we signed Diarra. A lot of people are questionning the slap Hleb gave Murty against Reading – was it intentional so that he could organise things with his agent!? Or is that too conspiracy theorist!!!

  84. cj Says:

    Maz who do you suggest would make an impact on our budget?
    Torres would be have had impact but for 25+ million??? Villa will cost about the same.

  85. Gooner Chris Says:

    We’re spoilt for choice when it comes to the striking department, I don’t think Jay has a future at the club sadly.

  86. cj Says:

    Def conspiracy on the slap. But you tell me Gallas had lost the dressing room, Hleb went out for ice-cream and Matty wasn’t being to convincing on his desire to stay… Does that not effect the team over a crunch period?

  87. Seb Says:

    True, true… I still think bill will be captan next season though. That, or he will leave the club. Not much we can do about it now but get in some quality to replace…

  88. cj Says:

    Don’t see Jay at the club myself Chris. AW has already made it clear Vela will be used upfront. So we have Bentner, Ade, RVP, Eddie, Vela and maybe Walcott all upfront and I don’t think Jay will break into that group.

  89. JamJam Says:

    Hey what do you guys think about Zoltan Gera? He’s available on a free 29 years old and is a similar type of player to Hleb. He is experienced and was one of the best players in the championship last season and did well in the premier league a few years ago. He scored 10 goals last year and got 8 assists.

  90. Gooner Chris Says:

    Will Wenger buy a 29-year-old midfielder? :D

  91. Seb Says:

    gera is not top 4 class im afraid…

  92. Gunner4life&beyond Says:

    United couldn’t hold onto Heinze, plus they get rid of their big player’s and still do well. Why do Arsenal fan’s think that we can’t do the same? WE’ve already proven we can.

    From back in the day, Man U let go of players like:
    Ince,
    Beckham,
    Stam,
    Kanchelski,
    Van Nistelrooy,
    people thought they were mad, how could they let them go? Still, it didn’t matter. ANYONE can be replaced, and will be. Get over it.

  93. Gunner4life&beyond Says:

    Or is it Konchelski/Kanchelskis? Can never remember.

  94. cj Says:

    I think he has learned a very difficult lesson… more is expected being the captain of Arsenal. Tony, Paddy & Thierry’s boots are pretty big ones to fill. Not sure if he will be captain but i wouldn’t be against it if he was. I don’t think he will make those mistake again.

  95. cj Says:

    Gunner4life&beyond who did United replace the players that left with? Thats the point not that they let them go. We replace ours with younger cheaper models with potential. United buy Vidic, Hargreaves, Carrick, Ronaldo, Rooney, Evra do I need to go on?

  96. Seb Says:

    i think he is a very emotional guy – maybe too emotional as we have a young squad. i do believe he is very proud to be the captain of arsenal and he can certainly learn from this season

  97. JamJam Says:

    What do you guys think about Albert Riera then? He’s confirmed that he’s leaving Espanyol in the summer and will only cost arounf £6 million.

  98. GoonerMaz Says:

    the budget issue is quite a thorny subject – i think that edelman was asked to step down due to the over eagerness to advise the media that we had huge sums to part with (65m) as its not the club’s way of dealing with finances
    negotiations of contracts was difficult but i dont feel that this had any bearing of flamini’s departure as i think he was destined to go, hleb is 27 and its the right age to seek the last big deal despite my own feeling on it

    i would love villa at the club

  99. Seb Says:

    was he the guy at man city on loan a few seasons ago??

  100. cj Says:

    Seb that hit the nail on the head. I think a more mature squad could have handled it. Our last league winning side had Paddy V, Campbell, Henry even Keown as leaders within the squad. We’re lacking a little of that now.

  101. Seb Says:

    yeah def cj – id love tony to come back and have a coaching role within the club – he could inject some of that into the team. Also Thuram could play a part if we could get him on a free.

  102. JamJam Says:

    yh Seb he was on loan to man city 2 years back. He did quite well in his loan spell but he has improved a lot since then. I regularly watch la liga and I think he’ll be in the premier league next year.

  103. Seb Says:

    i think he would be a useful squad player but i think Liverpool and Spurs are leading the chase for him.

  104. cj Says:

    For some reason I doubt Tony will come back under AW. I can see Keown coming in first. Though I would love to see Mr Arsenal back where he belongs and there are rumors that pat rice will step down soon

  105. Seb Says:

    yeah i heard that… also the main arsenal dr and physiotherapist might be going into the full time england role – so its not just the players going!

  106. Gunner4life&beyond Says:

    I’d agree, that we need another player with leadership quality to play in the side, but we had Gilberto and Lehmann this season, and Wenger hardly played them.

    CJ, apart from Eboue and Senderos, I don’t think any of our current player’s are not good enough, agree or disagree? We just needed a couple more good ones, so that we could have coped with the injuries.

    We had Rosicky, Eduardo, Van persie and Djourou missing for the last part of our campaign. If Man U had lost Tevez, Hargreaves, Ronaldo and even someone like Fletcher, they wouldn’t have won a thing.

  107. cj Says:

    Villa would be ace Maz but I can’t see it. Of all the wider midfield player in europe I’d love to see Schweinsteiger come in. Powerful, quick and proven. Plus I think the German league is an easier league to come from into the PL

  108. Seb Says:

    i personally dont believe utd are amazing – they have been very lucky with injuries this season

  109. Seb Says:

    diego would be good too from the german league

  110. cj Says:

    Gunner4life&beyond I totally agree. Our first eleven is without a doubt good enough, but you don’t win anything with a first 11 we need an excellent 22. Sanga’s injury was the turning point for us in my opinion. Suddenly we looked to have no confidence at the back. Swiss Tony will be kept but he will have to cut the error per game out or he won’t be there for long


  111. We’ll miss Flamini but not Hleb. History will repeat itself. When Petit/Overmars left, we found a perfect replacement for Overmars in Pires but we struggled to replace Petit until Gilberto came along. Samir Nasri will surely be a competent replacement for Hleb, and lets hope we can replace I would do what it takes to replace Flamini with someone like Gareth Barry of Aston Villa.

  112. Seb Says:

    sagnas injury was a big blow… what a player in his 1st season though!

  113. Seb Says:

    id love to get barry just to piss of liverpool who think theyve already signed him. maybe hoyte + cash??!!

  114. cj Says:

    he was awesome. right player right price more of the same please AW


  115. If Aston villa is after our Hoyte, I would jump at this opportuity to add cash and bring Barry. Eboue will be given another chance at right back (as cover for Sagna of course) cos he is usless at right wing.

  116. cj Says:

    Would barry be a ready made captain??

  117. Gooner Chris Says:

    Avram Grant Has Been Sacked.

  118. Seb Says:

    I hate chelsea – they have no integrity do they! hes only lost 2 matches in the league and got to 2 finals!

  119. Gooner Chris Says:

    No cups for us, Liverpool or Chelsea :D

  120. Seb Says:

    i like the fact barry would be english – what about krancjaer??

  121. Gunner4life&beyond Says:

    We need more fans like CJ and others on here. We have/had (taking away Flamini and Hleb) a great to good sqaud of 18 – 20 players (with about 5 injured in a crucial period). We just need a few more guys who are currently playing regularly for their teams and at least one to take some leadership pressure of the emotional, but passionate Gallas, and go straight into the first 11.

    Sagna is my player of the season, don’t care who disagrees. With him, I think we wouldn’t have lost to Chelsea or Man U.

    Something that I think is overlooked, is the impact of the points lost away to Newcastle and Portsmouth, those teams were doing crap before we played them, when we played them and after we played them. I was so dissapointed, the points lost in our bad patch wouldn’t have mattered.

    Also, those fools in the press who said we needed to beat Chelski and Man USA are fools, if we had just not lost against both of them and kept our run of draws going until after we played them, I knew we would have still been in it.

    Must say I feel bad for Terry (even though he is an ass at times, he is Chelsea through and through), and Lampard. However; Cashley, Bollocks (Ballack), Anelka and Cech, ROTFLMFAO.

  122. cj Says:

    Is it testament to Alumina that we’re all not clamoring for a new stopper? Its one area I think we’re a little light weight in now. Alumnia is fine at no. 1 for me if hes injured we’ve zero experience.
    its worrying…

  123. Seb Says:

    who would you bring in to be a leader gunner4life?

  124. Seb Says:

    i liked fabianski – looked good against sunderland and everton. i loved when jens came on against everton though and started doing rolls to warm up – legend

  125. cj Says:

    i liked him too seb but goalkeepers need experience to improve their decision making. i’m v concerned about it…

  126. Gunner4life&beyond Says:

    Yeah, Almunia done quite well, though I’d still like to see him fighting for that no.1 spot with someone who is better than him, but it’s not a big worry. Maybe Wenger will get in another person like Poom, just in case Fabianski can’t cope if, and when he needs to cover.

    That’s a good question Seb, but my knowledge of the footballer’s of the world isn’t good enough to make some good suggestions. I did and do still think though, that Barry as you suggested, would be good.

  127. cj Says:

    BTW did anyone see the quotes coming from Juve about Flamini? They siad his wage demands would have broken there wage structure… are u sure you didn’t go for the money Matty?

  128. Seb Says:

    I cant see any keepers to buy which arent going to cost a lot of money – something that we dont have. Id love to have some more experience in such an important role but I think Almunia will have gained a lot from the past season.

  129. cj Says:

    Jussi Jaaskelainen worth a punt?

  130. Seb Says:

    yeah I saw them – apparently they want Alonso – Flamini did say that Milan made him feel wanted and thats why he went, but id feel wanted with an extra 10k in my pocket every week! Still dont know how Gattuso and Flamini will fit in to the team.

  131. Seb Says:

    I thought Jussi was out of contract as well…

  132. cj Says:

    Jussi’s contract ends next year i think so I reckon £3-5m bid would get him. And he’s only 33.

  133. Andy Says:

    i think this will work out well. our last natural wingers was pires-ljungberg saga. as for ben arfa i cant see that happening now if theo is stayin on the wing but u never know. we also have been linked to robinho but i cant see wenger paying £20-£25m for him

  134. Dan Says:

    krancjaer lmao. Worst spelling ever.

  135. Gooner Chris Says:

    haha. He isn’t Arsenal class, he’s alright for Pompey, but a midtable side compared to a title challenging side is completely different.

  136. arsenal forever Says:

    I love arsenal bacause of the style of playing the ball among themselves until the opposition gave way and then penetrating with i-2 pass and scoring the goal..Good to watch.Helb used to move around the defence and keep the ball at bay but he never semed to have scoring instincts..same goes for flamini only he was bit defencive .the field where arsenal lacked was getting back to the game after conceiving goal/goals…when henry was with arsenal we always had hopes that with his one act of brilliance with the ball we will bounce back..but this season i could not see anyone encouraging us with this hope…after conceiving goals gunners still did not threaten to come back esp..against big clubs…
    becoz of this very reason , whenever my team got shattered with a goal , i saw arsenal losing…so this type i want arsene wenger to sign people like young henry or force brilliance from promising players like ade , walcott , cesc and many others….
    i am really amaged wtih the pace of walcott…he has shown towards the end of season…he surely has a good future in arsenal ……….

  137. arsenal forever Says:

    have you guys noticed something unusual about cesc……..
    he never shoots directly for a goal during free kicks ,,thats quite unusual for a free kick specialist like him….he can land the ball whereever he likes ….i remember quite a lot of times when gallas came to him and whispered something before taking free kicks and this guy amazingly landed the ball right on top of gallas head overs so many heads standing high around the post…
    i wat him to take free kicks like ronaldo or beckham but not so selfish like these people whose team mate only get a chance to head the ball if it bounces back….

  138. eie Says:

    I am glad he is going as he is a coward in the box with his failure to take responsibility by getting goals. He does slow down our play and very often nothing results from his endless dilly dallying on the ball. He had half a good season in 3 and when we needed an experienced player to step up to the plate when we had our bad spell he went missing. The cunt was responsible for us getting knocked out of europe last season when he gave away a needless foul. Claims he cant stand london, cunt wants to go for more money and is no better than cunlty arsecole for meeting inter before our game with milan. Let him fuck off and make sure we get a good deal for the snidey tramp

  139. gooner duff Says:

    SHAUN WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

  140. Gooner Chris Says:

    he’d be a good signing.

  141. Arseblogger Says:

    The agent of Hleb is a twat. He has just shot Hleb in his foot buy saying this things about Hleb’s leaving ect ect..

  142. Ash Says:

    Great analysis. Nasri is more effective than Hleb. He’s not scored alot for Marseille but he has 2 goals in 7 games for France with better players around him. It could take him time to settle but he could well be like Fabregas and play well straight away. He has the same vision and awareness except he plays more in the final third. France play with 2 holding players so playmakers dont have to track back much. Nasri plays the Zidane role for them and for Marseille too, he doesnt win the ball back much(Hleb does) so I think Fabregas might need to work more defensively. Maybe thats where Chantome comes to place?. Its a shame to lose such an important player like Hleb who attracts players onto him creating time and space for Fabregas to move into but maybe its time for a change of approach? With Fabregas Rosicky/Diaby and Nasri we would be more direct and more ruthless.

  143. BOY-BETTER-KNOW Says:

    BREAKING NEWS……….Theres a new twist in the nasri development

  144. Damian Says:

    Reyes was 1 of the main players missing this season if he didn,t get conned Milan etc could be offering 20m plus 4 him

  145. elvlado Says:

    hleb was a great player for arsenal and anyone who said he wasnt is an effing idiot.

  146. James Stokes Says:

    elvlado:

    Hleb was good for a season. Pires was great.

  147. Gunner4life&beyond Says:

    elvlado,

    I’ll happily be an effin idiot then, better than being the total waste of wank juice that you seem to be. Everyone has their opinions, and mine is; Hleb is ok, not great. We can easily get someone who will have a better impact in games.

    Those stats are wrong as well, Walcott has five assists in his limited playing time.

  148. Gunner4life&beyond Says:

    Also, I’m sure Hleb only has 8 assists, stop trying to make him look more effective than he is, lol. He does have one more goal than you said though.

    Seriously though, could you be a bit more accurate when reporting ‘facts!’


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  150. Gooner Chris Says:

    Totally agree with you mate. :)


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